Lecture 9: Does God Still Speak Today? Prophecy and the Stage of Truth

C. Michael Patton and Rhome Dyke · The Theology Program · 66 minutes

Lecture by C. Michael Patton, Th.M., and Rhome Dyke, Th.M., from The Theology Program, published on their public channel. Study notes below from Medina Community Church.

A parenthetical session with everything at stake: if God still speaks directly today, the whole stage of truth must be rearranged around that voice. The teachers argue each position from inside it, the continuationist case first at full strength, then the hard cessationist, then the soft middle where Patton himself lands. Notice that Scripture nowhere settles the question in a sentence, so this is also the course's first real exercise in using every source on the stage at once.

The lecture, section by section

  1. The question that decides the stage

    Does God still speak directly today, not through the mediated whispers of feeling and circumstance, which can deceive and be misread, but directly, as he spoke to Moses, the prophets, and Paul? The question is framed carefully: this is about prophecy, dreams, visions, tongues, the word of knowledge, God's own voice without an intermediate device. It has pressed the church harder in the last hundred years than ever before, and it cannot be skipped, because wherever a present-day prophet exists, he belongs on the stage of truth, and everything else must be arranged around him.

  2. Experience in its place

    The teachers begin with a caution: in this debate more than any other, people elevate an experience, their own or a friend's, above Scripture. The discipline of the stage must hold: experience is real, powerful, and not to be discredited, but it stands behind Scripture and tradition, a supplement rather than the authority. Even the language wants examining: was that word from the Lord truly a word from the Lord, or the Spirit's ordinary prompting to encourage a brother, described in borrowed clothes?

  3. The map of the gifts

    A working chart, offered without claiming inspiration: the disputed gifts divide into revelatory, those through which God continues to speak, apostleship, prophecy, discerning of spirits, and on some definitions the words of wisdom and knowledge and tongues with interpretation, and confirmatory, those that authenticate the speaker, healings, miracles, and tongues on the other reading. The cessationist calls these temporary, ended with the apostles; the continuationist calls them permanent. The lecture is honest that on several of these gifts there is little agreement about what exactly they were.

  4. What a prophet was

    Before either case can be argued, the Old Testament sets the stakes. When Israel's kings wondered whether God would go with them to war, they did not consult themselves; they sought the man who spoke for God, and when Elijah spoke, God had spoken. The prophet, not the king, was the most powerful man in the nation, which is why wicked kings hated him. And a prophet was established: he bore the signs of a prophet, and once established, his word stood without endless re-proving. That, and nothing softer, is what the word prophecy carries into this debate.

  5. The continuationist case

    Argued at full strength. At Pentecost, Peter declares that the last days Joel foretold have begun: the Spirit poured out on all mankind, sons and daughters prophesying, and the era runs from Pentecost until the day of the Lord, so what began there is the church's normal life until Christ returns. The book of Acts reads that way throughout, with prophets like Agabus and the daughters of Philip mentioned in passing, as if unremarkable. No text of the New Testament ever announces that the gifts will cease, so the cessationist must bring that conclusion to Scripture rather than from it, and to refuse the gifts may be to deny the Spirit poured out on all flesh. The canon objection fails: not everything inspired was ever written down, Agabus's prophecies are lost, and John says the world itself could not contain the books, so present prophecy no more reopens the canon than unrecorded first-century prophecy did. The position's adherents are no lightweights, Wayne Grudem among them, with Jack Deere, Craig Keener, and Jack Hayford, and Deere's thought experiment presses hard: a new Christian locked in a room with only a Bible would never come out a cessationist. The burden of proof, on this case, lies wholly on the one who says the gifts have stopped.

  6. The hard cessationist case: the foundation

    Then the other collar goes on. Ephesians 2 calls the church built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ himself the cornerstone, and a building has one foundation, laid once. Miracles in Scripture were never mere benevolence; they pointed to the messenger and his message, which is why John's Gospel is built on seven signs, why Jesus healed one man at the pool and walked past the rest, and why the man born blind was blind, Jesus said, so that God would be glorified. Paul appeals to the signs of a true apostle in 2 Corinthians 12, an argument that makes no sense if such signs were common property. Once the prophet is established and the foundation laid, the signs have done their work: Jesus refused the sign-seekers with the sign of Jonah, and Abraham told the rich man that those who will not hear Moses and the prophets will not be persuaded though one rise from the dead.

  7. Hard cessationism continued: Hebrews, the perfect, and the clusters

    Hebrews 2 already speaks of the great salvation confirmed to us by those who heard, a prior generation whose signs and wonders the writer can only remember, suggesting the gifts were passing even then. The popular argument from 1 Corinthians 13, that prophecy ceases when the perfect comes and the perfect is the completed Bible, the lecture flags as a bad argument even for its own side, since the perfect there is plainly Christ at his coming, when we see face to face. Better arguments remain: Scripture never explicitly announces its own completion either, yet both sides confess the canon closed, so explicit statement is not required; Scripture is sufficient, equipping the man of God for every good work; and read broadly, God's direct speech comes in clusters around new revelation, with long silences between, from Noah to Moses, and the four hundred years before Christ came in the fullness of time, silences of prophecy, not of providence. B. B. Warfield's summary is cited: God did not choose to reveal himself individually to each soul, the mystic's dream, but gave the race his complete revelation as an organic whole.

  8. The verdict of history

    Tradition also sits on the stage, and its testimony is heavy: this has been the church's majority position since the second century. The Montanists, the first movement to claim ongoing prophecy, were condemned, their founder claiming to be the promised Paraclete himself; after them, only fringe groups until the twentieth century. Chrysostom, commenting on the spiritual gifts, wrote that the passage was obscure precisely because such things had ceased by his day; Augustine wrote that tongues were signs adapted to their time, given for authentication, and had passed away. The men nearest the apostles, the very ones who would qualify as prophets if prophets continued, are the ones who said they were not. Augustine, Aquinas, Anselm, Luther, Calvin, Wycliffe, Edwards: cessationists all, and calling all those centuries an apostasy against the Spirit is a heavy charge to make in order to win an argument.

  9. What missions reveals

    The stakes surface in missions philosophy. If Scripture is God's complete speech, the first task among an unreached people is translation, the conviction that drives Wycliffe Bible Translators. If God speaks directly society by society, the emphasis shifts toward sending the prophet, the signs-and-wonders movement of recent decades. The answer to this session's question quietly decides how the gospel goes to the nations.

  10. The soft position

    Patton then gives his own: call it soft cessationism or soft continuationism. The miraculous gifts could be given today, for God, as the Westminster Confession says, is free to work without, above, and against his ordinary means, and no one may put him in a box; those who read Revelation futuristically must even concede prophets to come. But neither side's arguments are conclusive, he has never himself seen a confirmed prophet, and so he proceeds open but unpersuaded: come raising the dead, and he is listening.

  11. The tests still apply

    Whatever position one takes, Deuteronomy 13 and 18, part of the course's own memory work, still govern: the prophet whose word does not come to pass has spoken presumptuously, and under the theocracy that was a capital offense. The biblical signs left no room for doubt, staffs to serpents, the paralyzed walking, the dead raised, nothing like the backaches and vague healings claimed today. No one will be executed now, which is exactly why claims run rampant; but the weight of the claim has not lightened.

  12. Do not say God said

    The session closes at the third commandment. In a world where pagans invoked the name of Baal to give their words power, God commanded that his name not be taken in vain: at its root, do not say I said things I did not say. Patton tells of the Bible study where a man announced a word from the Lord, then lost his train of thought, the word of the Lord, misplaced. The difference between I think the Lord is leading me and thus saith the Lord is the difference between a believer humbly interpreting and a man claiming the prophet's mantle; make the first claim freely, and make the second only if you are prepared to show the signs of a prophet.

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Continuationism
The view that the miraculous sign gifts continue and are normative for the church, so that God still speaks directly today.
Hard cessationism
The view that the miraculous sign gifts ceased with the death of the last apostle and the completion of the New Testament, the church's majority position from the second century to the twentieth.
Soft cessationism
Patton's own position, equally nameable as soft continuationism: the gifts could be given today, but no confirmed instance has persuaded him, so he remains open and unpersuaded, with the biblical tests fully in force.
Revelatory gifts
Gifts through which God continues to speak: apostleship, prophecy, discerning of spirits, and on some definitions the words of wisdom and knowledge and tongues with interpretation.
Confirmatory gifts
Gifts that authenticate the messenger: healings, miracles, signs and wonders, pointing always to the one who bears the message.
Prophet
One who speaks for God, so that when he speaks, God has spoken: in Israel more powerful than the king, and established by the signs of a prophet.
Signs of an apostle
Paul's appeal in 2 Corinthians 12: the signs, wonders, and powerful deeds that marked a true apostle, an argument that requires such signs not to be common property.
Sufficiency of Scripture
The conviction that Scripture equips the man of God for every good work: complete for the history of redemption, though never exhaustive.
Montanism
The first movement to claim ongoing prophecy, condemned in the early church, its founder claiming to be the promised Paraclete.
The tests of a prophet
Deuteronomy 13 and 18: the prophet whose word fails has spoken presumptuously, an offense the theocracy counted capital.

Sixteen questions from the lecture

Tap an answer. A wrong guess points you back to the outline; when all sixteen are right, the lecture is marked complete on this device.

1. What exactly is the question of this session, as the lecture frames it?

2. What caution opens the whole discussion?

3. What distinguishes revelatory from confirmatory gifts on the working chart?

4. What did it mean, in Israel, that a man was a prophet?

5. How does the continuationist read Peter's use of Joel at Pentecost?

6. How does the continuationist answer the objection that ongoing prophecy would reopen the canon?

7. What does the hard cessationist draw from the foundation of Ephesians 2?

8. Why, on the cessationist reading, did Jesus heal only one man at the pool?

9. Why does the lecture call the popular 1 Corinthians 13 argument a bad one, even for cessationists?

10. What does the clusters argument observe about God's direct speech in Scripture?

11. What is the force of Chrysostom's and Augustine's testimony?

12. How does the question shape missions?

13. What is Patton's own settled posture?

14. What do Deuteronomy 13 and 18 still require of anyone claiming prophecy?

15. What is the root principle of the third commandment, as the lecture reads it?

16. What difference does the lecture press between two ways of speaking?

All sixteen correct. Lecture 9 is complete.

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  1. Before this session, which position had you absorbed, continuationist, cessationist, or something unexamined, and which argument from the other side did you feel the real weight of for the first time?

  2. The lecture presses the difference between I think the Lord is leading me and thus saith the Lord. Where has Christian speech around you, or your own, blurred that line, and what would change if the tests of a prophet were taken as seriously as Deuteronomy takes them?

  3. This was the course's first full use of the stage of truth on an open question: Scripture first, then tradition, reason, and experience each weighed. Try the same method aloud on this question with your group: where does the weight of the evidence come down for you, and how firmly, on the chart of certainty, are you entitled to hold it?

One Verse to Carry

The charge of Deuteronomy 18 as the lecture carries it: the prophet who presumes to speak a word in God's name that God has not commanded, that prophet's word falls, and the fear of the Lord belongs on every claim to speak for him.

The lecture's own assignments stand: Deuteronomy 13 and 18 are part of the course's Scripture memory work precisely because they belong to the stage of truth, so learn them well, and weigh this session's question with your group using every source on the stage. The course closes next session with unity and diversity: how the church holds together across its differences.

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